Sunday, July 31, 2005
Fatwa, Fatwa, Don't Cha Wanna Fatwa, Fatwa!
Here's the kicker, and this is the reason everyone connected to this story and others like it should be in front of Congress defending its slant: a non partisan organization sponsored a forum on just how screwed up Islam is called 'The Radical-Islamist Threat to World Peace and National Security.' CBS radio refused to sell this group air time on its Infinity Radio Network; the official word from CBS being that, “Too many people might be emotionally affected by the subject matter…It’s too controversial to be aired at this time.” Are you fricking kidding me? CBS can refuse to fund a little group some air-time, which they could have made a few dollars from and try to get more people to watch its news, and instead roll the unsubstanitated, false, contrived, slanderous, treasonous Bush National Guard Memos story. Using CBS's own words..from the aftermath of the NatGuard-Gate Memos it's a fact that many people were emotionally affected by the subject matter and it was too controversial to be aired at the time (before a Presidential Election) DUH!
Congratulations CBS, you've done the terrorists another favor by giving them airtime directly from a page right out of the Al Queda Terror Training Primer. Idiots!
So are all these guys liars? You never addressed it.
From Kerry's executive officer James Kelly:
"There is no question that John Kerry earned his decorations and that he put his life at risk in the service of his country. There is no doubt in my mind, moreover, that he has the intelligence to serve as president. ..."
The Navy Inspector General:
"Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed. In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards."
Elmo Zumwalt, Commander of the United States Naval Forces in Vietnam:
"It is a disgrace to the United States Navy that there's any inference that the [medal] process was anything other than totally honest." [Boston Herald, October 28, 1996]
From Soldiers that, unlike the swift boat veterans you love to quote, were there the day Kerry won his silver star.
"Kerry ordered our boat to head upstream with his, leaving Droz's boat at the first site. It happened again, another ambush. And again, Kerry ordered the turn maneuver, and again it worked. As we headed for the riverbank, I remember seeing a loaded B-40 launcher pointed at the boats. It wasn't fired as two men jumped up from their spider holes."
"With our troops involved in the sweep of the first ambush site, Richard Lamberson, a member of my crew, and I also went ashore to search the area. I was checking out the inside of the hooch when I heard gunfire nearby. Not long after that, Kerry returned, reporting that he had killed the man he chased behind the hooch. He also had picked up a loaded B-40 rocket launcher, which we took back to our base in An Thoi after the operation."
"John O'Neill, author of a highly critical account of Kerry's Vietnam service, describes the man Kerry chased as a 'teenager' in a 'loincloth.' I have no idea how old the gunner Kerry chased that day was, but both Leeds and I recall that he was a grown man, dressed in the kind of garb the VC usually wore. The man Kerry chased was not the 'lone' attacker at that site, as O'Neill suggests. There were others who fled. There was also firing from the tree line well behind the spider holes and at one point, from the opposite riverbank as well. It was not the work of just one attacker."
As for the Kerry stuff Braveheart Anonymous keeps bringing up: Let's just focus on one Purple Heart and one only, since you loonies can't focus on any other issue. The first PH was awarded stupidly by the military. Granted. Perhaps if it wasn’t, maybe JK would have stayed his whole tour. But the PH was petitioned for by a man who did not deserve to get it. No honorable combat soldier, airman, sailor would petition his command for an injury that required a band-aid to fix and expect a PH. The fact that it's Kerry we’re talking about is what drives you lefties nuts. If this was situation was about Dornan, McCain, North, anyone else, I'd say the same exact damn thing...there is no honor in requesting and receiving an award that was not won with honor. And if that person seeks to do it a second time, is this the kind of person who should be in any position of leadership in the military? The unequivocal answer is no, and HELL NO! A man that dishonorable has no business being the Commander-in-Chief. The fact that this is about a leftie like Kerry is what makes you guys crazy. Guess what? I don’t give a crap that it’s about Kerry. I really don’t. If this was about a Republican I'd say the same thing! At least I can admit that. And if I was pissed off enough, I’d make a bumper sticker about that moron, too. However, this has nicely played out that the person in question is one you lefties try to lionize. Oh well! No one deserves to be awarded that honor of a combat medal for injuries without being worthy to receive it and it's a disgrace to those with whom he has served that the award in question was granted and accepted...operative word…accepted Dishonor is dishonor no matter what party you belong to. This should end this debate once and for all. Thanks for all of your replies. You can now go back to defending CBS and its aid and comfort to AQ.
2) The Bush Guard Memos were not 'Total Crap' as you claim. In fact the secretary who would have written them said that while they could be forgeries they do accurately reflect her bosses sentiment at the time.
3) That was a very lovely (and long) speech you made there. If only it had even the slightest attachment to reality. First, you never answered the question, are those members of our military lying when they say Kerry earned those medals?
You say you would attack him the same whether he was a Republican or a Democrat. *cough*Bullshit*cough*
You are on a crusade against a decorated combat veteran because ACCORDING TO PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T EVEN THERE HE WASN'T INJURED BAD ENOUGH TO GET A PURPLE HEART. Yet you support a Republican who DODGED THE DRAFT, SHIRKED HIS DUTY TO HIS COUNTRY, Lied about his own service, SMEARED WAR VETERANS AS UNPATRIOTIC, AND SENT SOLDIERS TO WAR BASED ON LIES THEN CUT THEIR BENEFITS WHEN THEY RETURNED.
Sorry for the caps but your hypocrisy is so overwhelming I felt it was warranted.
I just picture some unfortunate soldier in Iraq right now who gets cut open by a piece of shrapnel like Kerry did. But instead of applying for the medal he deserves he decides its just not worth it because somewhere down the road someone he has never met may use it against him over political differences or some blogger who was never there and doesn't know anyone who was will start a blog and travel around to accuse him of being dishonorable.
With everything going on in this country I just can't for the life of me figure out why so many people spend so much time trying to tear down a vet over the severity of 1 of his 3 purple hearts. And don't say its to protect the honor of the troops. If you want to protect the honor of our soldiers spend those hours and go volunteer at one of the homeless shelters housing the thousands of homeless vets. Or maybe use it to support policies and politicians that actually SUPPORT the troops, instead of paying them lip service and then letting them fall by the wayside when they come back scarred both physically and mentally.
I'm sorry if this got more heated than it should have but in the wake of what is going on in OH-2 I'm really fed up with Republicans claiming to be the party of the troops and pointing the finger at Democrats while at the same time screwing these same troops whenever it suits them.
If you actually believe this then there is no point in arguing. Although I suppose that should be apparent by now. As long as we are clear that your major issue is that Kerry wasn't wounded in combat severely enough for you in just 1 of his 3 purple hearts. I just hope hope you try to hold all politicians to such stringent standards.
There is still the notable abscence of any criticism of our current CIC and his lack of character or honor despite your claims to dish it out regardless of political party. Although I suppose that won't surprise anyone.
Best of luck with your 'smear campaign of veterans and women to honor veterans'.
Now that I have your attention. The more you dignify his commentary as worthwhile, he will continue to post it. This individual has an obviously biased opinion and is incapable of seeing the world ofr what it is, gray. Do you want to have a debate of issues or just spread propoganda to the idiots of the world?
Personally I disagree with both of you since neither of you is listening to me. Accept facts for what they are and stop trying to twist them to serve your agendas.
COME ON MORTY: MAKE UP YOUR MIND!
Fact Opinion from me:
JK: rec'd medals and ribbons - Definiately; war hero - perhapse not
W: Shirked his repsonsibility with Natguard - Certainly; Warrior - Perhapse; War monger - Definitely
JK: Inconsistent voting record - Definitely; Unpatriotic - Definitely Not; Sesitive to military issues - Perhapse Not
W: Articulate - Definitely Not; Inteligent - Perhapse; Entertaining - Definitely
So See, not everything is as clear cut as we would like. It is the failure to recognize this that permits MORONS to get into a land war in Asia or go in against a Scicilian where death is involved. Either show up as yourself of SHUT UP!
My 2 cents - Priceless...
I'm kind of curious because you seem to reserve most of your vitriol for me(although I could be misreading it) and yet I've been agreeing with most of your conclusions save a few. Specifically:
1)In what way is W a 'Warrior'
2)How do you see JK as insensitive to military issues (I don't so much disagree as I am curious what this is based on.)
3)You don't address our hosts assertion that JK is so dishonorable that he should be precluded from being President but W is not.
3)Your spelling of perhaps.
Voted to cut funding for weapons systems in early 90's:
W: No(But this doesn't really count since he was not in politics and was busy running several corporations into the ground).
George Bush Sr.: Yes
Colin Powell: Yes
Sen. Grassley (R-IA): Yes
Actively Protecting A likely traitor with security clearance:
Intent on Govt regulating the use of Stem cells to cure a large number of horrible illnesses:
Pre-emptively attacked another country that had never attacked us and that was not involved in 9/11 at a cost of 1800 dead American Soldiers, >10,000 wounded American Soldiers, $300 billion dollars, the good will of most of the world.
Shirked Duty During Vietnam (aka. ChickenHawk Brigade):
Bonus Notables who managed to miss Vietnam despite being of draft age:
Rep. Tom Delay:Yes
Rep. Dennis Hastert:Yes
Dan Quayle: Yes
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA):Yes (You should be real proud that this last guy is on your side.)
And somewhere in the comments above was this gem concerning the Bush national guard memos:
The Bush Guard Memos were not 'Total Crap' as you claim. In fact the secretary who would have written them said that while they could be forgeries they do accurately reflect her bosses sentiment at the time
I love the liberal mindset. "We know it is true. We can't prove it, but we'll make up the evidence to support our view of the truth.. And I love that the secretary is talking now that her boss is conviently dead and there is no other evidence. Oh, and as a military pilot, no commander gives enough of a crap about a guy missing a flight physical to make a personal memo about it and then keep it for 30+ years. But keep grasping at straws you leftards. I enjoy watching you squirm over your hatred of Bush.
I don't deny the Democrats have cut military funding and that Bill Clinton never served in the Military but he did nothing so callous as this current administration. It is for this reason that I don't see the Republicans being able to maintain their wide lead among military families.
Bush says: "Make no mistake about it, We are at war."
Begins a 5 week vacation on his ranch
I know he'll 'work' at his ranch but come on. What kind of a message does this send? What about the soldiers fighting who only get 3 weeks per year.
"Overall, I give them very high marks," said Robert Oakley, former Ambassador for Counterterrorism in the Reagan State Department. "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"
Paul Bremer, who had served in the same post under Reagan and later was chosen by congressional leaders to chair the National Commission on Terrorism:
"[Clinton] correctly focused on Bin Laden."
Title of the top-secret briefing memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6, 2001: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
Where Bush was: Vacationing in Texas. And he remained there for another 4 weeks.
But at least he wasn't getting a blowjob because that would have REALLY been bad.
Geez. How 2004.
C'mon at least give me a good Karl Rove/Valerie Plame rant.
I will agree the Will Ferrel's version of President Chimpy McCokespoon is funny.
This cracks me up as well.
Why does Bush act so macho?
Wow. How lazy. I guess congress should return from its 30 day summer recess as well.
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