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Thursday, September 29, 2005

Has It Come To This?


(AgapePress) - A federal court has been asked to order a Knoxville, Tennessee, elementary school to stop prohibiting a ten-year-old student from reading his Bible during recess.
Luke Whitson and his parents have filed a motion for preliminary injunction against Knox County School officials, who allegedly threatened to punish the boy for reading his Bible during recess at Karns Elementary School. The district claims the Bible reading jeopardizes student safety and that, because recess is not "free time," they can prohibit Bible reading during that time.
But Whitson's attorney, Nate Kellum with the Alliance Defense Fund, says school officials are wrong to claim reading the Bible on a school playground violates the so-called "separation of church and state." Read The Rest Of The Story Here

If this child was reading Marx or Engles, copies would be made and distributed to all the kids on the playground!

If the child could read other books of their choice at recess, I'd join you in supporting him being able to read the Bible. As presented, this story sound just ridiculous. We do have Freedom of religion.

On the flip side, I'd oppose any efforts to have the teachers lead the students in daily prayers, but support the students having their own prayers.

We need both religion from religion and freedom of religion, seems to me.
The part about Marx and Engels wasn't true was it ?? Was it a joke ? I can remember being told not to bring comic books to school to read during recess.
No, I said if the child was reading Marx...
Yet another example of how the ACLU has been working to kill religion in America and create laws the discriminate against Christians. I can almost guarantee that if this kid had been reading the Koran he would have been left alone.

Ugg, of course this comes from AgapePress The 'Highlights for children' of Christian media. The truth of this story isn't so cut and dry. In fact it looks more like a case of the grandstanding by the parents.

The child and his friends ARE allowed to read their bibles during 'free time' and 'free reading time'. However recess is not 'free time' but a time for structured activities. I'm not saying there isn't an issue here, just that it's not quite so clear cut, and the fact that the parents were on Fox News before even serving the school with legal notice(which contains some very notable contradictions) doesn't help their credibility.
Now, see, this is why people lose credibility. When you present one side of a story as fact and leave out details, it's your own credibility that suffers.

Thanks, Cold Pillow, for providing more info.
It is a sham, a shame, and would you please show IN THE CONSTITUTION where there is a separation of Church and STATE? Or does it simply mean that the FEDERAL gov't was not to interfere with the CHURCH??? Hmm.

BTW, great article. Please excuse me, but I get real riled when I see stuff like this. I wish these judges and teachers would be FORCED to KNOW what the Constitution says and means!
The kid isn't hurting anyone where is his right to read what he wants to!!!?

I use to read the book of shadows with a brown paper book cover around the out side. This was at a Catolic school :)

Plain book covers are the answers! But again it shouldn't matter and that is our freedom!
Don't worry about anyone's credibility except your, Danny Boy! Mine is fine, thank you. And as for recess, I don't know where you went to school, but most schools' recess is a free to do anything you want. Structure at recess? Don't know about that one - maybe in Boston or where ever it is Coldie comes from. And I guarantee you that in the public schools I attended unfortunately had to attend as a military dependent in NC, OK, VA, and KY - a Bible would have been banned as much as Huck Finn and Catcher In The Rye! Man, that ACLU sure knows how to pick it's fights - shame it could not back at least those books to be included on school shelves. But as long as 'Heather Has Two Mommies' and 'Daddy's New Roomate' are available, I guess the ACLU calls that even since Huck, Catcher and the Bible are not allowed!
Actually, I believe you'd find the ACLU would (and may have) fight to stop the Bible from being banned anywhere. And again, if the facts are as you described initially, Mr. Mountjoy, I'll agree with you.

If it's free time, it's free time and they certainly can't stop any kid from reading the Bible or Superman. I'm just saying if it's structured time, then that's a different scenario.

I'll admit, now that I've read a few links to the story, it sounds incredible and I'd tend to side with you AS THE STORY WAS REPORTED.

However, all the sites where I found the story listed were rightwing-ish in nature. I'm just saying I'd like to hear the other side of the story. That's all.

Actually, Daniel, the ACLU has defended Christians on numerous occasions.
CR, ask anyone who has ever taught small children, recess is often the savior for teachers. It is a time for kids to run around, be impulsive and release some of the energy built up during a day of being cooped up. Reading should be encouraged, as this school does with 'FREE READING TIME' however children also need physical activity, something that can't be accomplished when recess is spent reading the bible.

Look, my only point was that there is more to this story than you presented. Acknowledge it or don't but you can't honestly believe that this is as one sided as you present it.
What if a child chooses to not run around. What is reading was a reflection of the child's impulsiveness and thsi child's energy release mechanism is reading, no matter what the subject matter. I knew kids who did this then and they now own companies like Microsoft! And yes, there is more to this story than we all might know. We were not there. But what was reported certainly is not out of the realm of probability since we are dealing with teachers and an administration whose very praxis is to squelch any form of religion from entering a public school.
What do you know about the teachers and administration? Do you know that they actually do allow children to study the bible in class? So it's rather presumptive, not to mention incorrect of you to judge their motives as wanting to 'squelch any form of religion from entering a public school'.
Read the GD AFT/NEA Charter for a clear look into the hearts and minds of this nation's most powerful union. It is replete with anti-American, Anti-Military, Anti-choice, anti-religion, anti-family, anti-business planks. (I did a cracking good piece on this in July - check the archives, Comrade) It's there for everyone to read. It reads like the primer for Young Pioneers and the manifesto of the CPUSA.
I read and commented on your NEA rant. I thought you were the one who said the NEA doesn't represent teachers? Or is your claim that all teachers are "anti-American, Anti-Military, Anti-choice, anti-religion, anti-family, anti-business"
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